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Old 07-20-2008, 12:03 PM
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Cremation also saves precious land space and is financially less costly than a full burial. Already we see funeral scams where in order to save costs, some shady characters are putting 2 bodies to a casket or burying one casket on top of another - all unbeknownst to the families.

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That's just sick.

The very least these people could do is show a bare minimum of respect to the deceased.
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Old 07-20-2008, 12:17 PM
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That's just sick.

The very least these people could do is show a bare minimum of respect to the deceased.

I think that people should respect the living, and their feelings on how passed loved ones bodies are treated.If there's a very specific religious reason why bodies should be treated a certain way after death then that should be respected, and it's sad if it isn't.

However, outside of religious context the dead are... well, dead. They don't care if they're casket is sitting on top of someone else's, that is in no way disrespectful to them because the "them" is gone. So respect for the dead (outside of religious, or otherwise superstitious, contexts like I said)is somewhat wasted. If the living have a problems with caskets stacked atop each other, or two bodies in the same casket then it shouldn't be done! I personally would have a problem with two bodies in a casket...and two caskets sharing the same burial hole would bother me too unless they were related and or separated by a hundred+ years.

IMHO the dead are dead and don't care. It's all about how those experiencing their death would handle it. That's where funeral rights and rituals from all over the world come from. It's how those left behind handle their own grief and console themselves. If that means sticking money in the casket so that the spirit can pay the toll into the afterlife, then that's how it goes but it's still their way of feeling comforted. I digressed a little there I think...
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Old 07-20-2008, 12:23 PM
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I'm not religious, but the reason why I think the deceased ought to be treated with respect, is because when someone passes on it is usually a very emotionally trying period for their loved ones. I firmly believe that when people are grieving, every effort should be made to bring them comfort and respite. I think one of the worst things anyone could do is to exacerbate their grief by insulting/disrespecting the deceased. The ritual/ceremonial aspect of a funeral is part of the grieving process and ought to be cathartic for the family and friends of the deceased and that is why it is important that a minimum amount of decorum is observed.

It's the same thing with organ donations and so on. I personally would not mind if my organs were harvested and then donated upon my death, but my loved ones might mind. Because to be very honest it would bring me at least some discomfort if it happened to me, i.e. they removed the organs and body parts of someone dear that I lost. Especially in the immediate aftermath of their passing.
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Old 07-20-2008, 12:32 PM
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I'm not religious, but the reason why I think the deceased ought to be treated with respect, is because when someone passes on it is usually a very emotionally trying period for their loved ones. I firmly believe that when people are grieving, every effort should be made to bring them comfort and respite. I think one of the worst things anyone could do is to exacerbate their grief by insulting/disrespecting the deceased. The ritual/ceremonial aspect of a funeral is part of the grieving process and ought to be cathartic for the family and friends of the deceased and that is why it is important that a minimum amount of decorum is observed.

It's the same thing with organ donations and so on. I personally would not mind if my organs were harvested and then donated upon my death, but my loved ones might mind. Because to be very honest it would bring me at least some discomfort if it happened to me, i.e. they removed the organs and body parts of someone dear that I lost. Especially in the immediate aftermath of their passing.
Exactly. Summary: Respect the living and their wishes for the treatment of the body of their loved one. The dead can no longer grasp respect and no longer care. The living do.

What we both said is essentially the exact same it's just that you're calling for "respect for the dead" while I'm calling for "respect for the living." That may seem like a trivial difference, but to me the respect is being displaced... For example if an immigrant to the USA dies and his traditional religious rules dictate that he be buried in his homeland (which is thousands of miles away), but all of his children, grandchildren, relatives, and friends live in the states. More than likely the body will be buried in the US, to comfort those closest to him. Those handling the body aren't going to respect the wishes of the dead man, they're going to respect the wishes of the people who mourn him. I could have given a more effective albeit gruesome example but I decline using grotesque imagery this early in the day.
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Old 07-20-2008, 12:58 PM
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That's just sick.

The very least these people could do is show a bare minimum of respect to the deceased.
As land space becomes more scarce (world is fixed in land space but humans keep populating and dying) these types of scams will become more common. Don't be surprised to find burial plots skyrocketing in thousands of dollars. As the saying goes.. costs more to die than to be born.

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Old 07-20-2008, 01:14 PM
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I would definitely prefer to be cremated, and my ashes scattered somehow. I don't have any intention of taking up space in the ground or in urn after I've died. And besides, being buried just increases the likelihood of being dug up for some nefarious purpose, and I have very little interest in having my corpse used for evil.
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Old 07-20-2008, 02:47 PM
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Old 07-20-2008, 05:12 PM
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I'm an organ donor so after that's taken care of then def I'll have my body cremated cus its cheaper and then there will be a huge buffet at my funeral.
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Old 07-20-2008, 10:55 PM
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I'm an organ donor so after that's taken care of then def I'll have my body cremated cus its cheaper and then there will be a huge buffet at my funeral.
So this will be a going away party...


FriskyGambit and Odrah have essentially said the same thing, "Funerals are for the living, not the dead".
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Old 07-21-2008, 04:41 PM
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Depends on how I kick the bucket.

If it's from natural causes, then cremated.

If it's from other than natural, then buried, get the answers, and then cremated.
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